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Blossoming gay scene in Gloucester as attitudes change

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Wednesday, October 17, 2012
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ATTITUDES towards Gloucester's lesbian and gay community have changed dramatically over the last decade, leading to a blossoming city club scene.

The Westgate is Gloucester's only exclusive gay venue.

  1. Chris Marsh manager of The Westgate

    Chris Marsh manager of The Westgate

A sea change in attitudes has led to one of Gloucester's evening economy success stories.

Like-minded people are now taking advantage of a safe environment to socialise – and The Westgate is cashing-in.

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Manager Chris Marsh said the change is helping the pub flourish.

"There is nothing else quite like us in Gloucester, and because of that we are doing really well," he said.

"Gloucester used to be an intimidating place for gay people to go out at night, but not anymore.

"Around 40 per cent of our customers are straight, and it is just a good night out here. We have an excellent relationship with the police and they have helped make people feel safer.

"When they are on patrol they stop and pop in. It is reassuring to know they are there and helping to make sure everyone stays safe and has a good time.

"But Westgate Street on the whole needs more investment as there are still empty shops that could be used. We get students in here, tourists visiting the Cathedral and it is also pretty busy on rugby match days."

Sid Kostomin, deputy manager at Liquid nightclub, said just 10 years ago gay pubs would have regularly had their windows smashed.

"There was once a perception that Gloucester was not safe," he said. "A gay venue used to be a bit of a novelty but that has changed."

Robin Agascar, chairs the Gloucester and Forest Hate Crime Group. "Before, lesbian and gay pubs would be tucked away down back-streets, but to have somewhere like The Westgate in such a prominent place shows how far we have come.

"There was always one or two in Cheltenham but none in Gloucester, that situation is now reversed. Police attitudes have also changed for the better. Twenty years ago, people accepted if they were on a gay-night out they could get attacked and felt that was their lot. Now, the police are more willing to step-in and that has helped people to report hate-crime.

"It has been a battle for people to have the confidence to report any issues to police, but things are improving."

For more information on Gay Glos call 01452 306800 or visit www.gay-glos.org.

For the hate crime report it helpline call 0800 077 8460.

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  • Profile image for Ms_Superstar

    by Ms_Superstar

    Wednesday, October 17 2012, 11:55PM

    “Can't believe Gloucester is any worse than Cheltenham in terms of prejudice, hatred and intolerance. Indeed, I can't believe ANYwhere is worse than Cheltenham in this respect. Perish the thought if it is.
    I have suffered the ignominy of being turned away from a bar (which is no longer trading - Nah nah na-nah nah) because of my persuasions. And have been told recently, by a member of the management, that I would not be welcome at another Cheltenham nightclub if I turned up as a showgirl. Yes, I know about the Equality Act 2010 and denial of goods or services to people from certain groups, but would I want to go to a nightclub where I had to use an Act of Parliament to be allowed in? Sure as hell I wouldn't.
    CTFCScout, I'm quite certain you wouldn't be turned away if you turned up at a gay venue, in the way that I've been turned away from straight venues, though you might, rightly, be asked to leave if you started causing trouble.
    Freedom of speech. Apparently (according to Ed Milliband, no less) it's a crime to swear at a police officer but not at another member of the public - and they're supposed to be our servants?? And I've been called far worse than a pleb (I may well be a plebeian, as may be a police officer, depending on ones point of view, but that's beside the point). The Serb football supporters, who have not had the benefit of political correctness. How are they to know racial taunts are bad? We can't just judge everyone by our own sheltered standards.
    Well, I'll stick with Cheltenham's only gay-inclusive club for now. I'm not gay, but I am vulnerable to attack. Might try the Westgate, depending on which nights it's open (the article misses out this important detail - I wouldn't want to go all the way to Gloucester and find it shut).
    The hate crime group has no teeth. Neither does the report it helpline.
    I've no doubt I'll earn lots of red arrows for this comment, but you know what?

    I don't care.”

  • Profile image for CTFCScout

    by CTFCScout

    Wednesday, October 17 2012, 11:29PM

    “Eyeopener, it was a tounge in cheek comment about equality.

    I have no problems with the homosexual community at all, in fact (cliche time) I have worked with homosexual people in the past. Very quiet and charming people, not 'flag-wavers' or marchers and happy in their world.

    The only 'gay' people I have issues with is those who say they are just to get attention or talk in an overtly-camp way. Now, that is not natural at all. The homosexual people I worked with did not speak in a camp way at all. I also know of one homosexual worker who gets paid £550 in his salary more than his heterosexual equivalent, and her boss has openly admitted it's 'because she's a lesbian and knows people.'

    I've also been in The Westgate a few times - far more welcoming than The Union and Fountain Inn (beers could be cheaper though!) So I'll bin my ticket to Brussels and wish you the best!

    Also - serious question: Would Straight Bars and Straight Parades be allowed in the UK.... bearing in mind what our Lords and Masters say in Brussels. Or would I face jail for wearing an 'I'm Straight, Get Over It' T-Shirt (in the summer though, too damn cold for t-shirts at the moment!)”

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    by eyeopener

    Wednesday, October 17 2012, 11:14PM

    “@CTFCScout It wasn't easy from your comments to be sure what you wanted, but one statement did strike me as odd "Could I have a Straight Venue? If not, why not?" If there were no straight venues, all the venues would be gay and this article wouldn't be newsworthy.

    It's interesting because according to the article apart from The Westgate there are no other exclusively gay venues in Gloucester. Also far from "straights being discriminated against "Around 40 per cent of our customers are straight, and it is just a good night out here."
    There is no need to appeal to the EU Courts, just roll up at the door and they will welcome you in!

    Should you decide you would prefer to drink elsewhere, no problem. All the other venues are straight. In fact for anyone wanting a "Straight Venue" I think you might be spoilt for choice!”

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    by eyeopener

    Wednesday, October 17 2012, 10:58PM

    “@cortezcortez how odd that you should protest under the guise of "freedom of speech". There is "freedom of speech", but there isn't 'freedom to abuse'. This applies to many areas in life not just sexual orientation. Thats why we have laws relating to slander, libel, and hate crimes, official secrets etc

    When you said "Its freedom of speech that has change there isn't any ." Were you asking for the freedom to express hatred for others? You might dislike gays, but others would have it in for ethnic minorities, women, the disabled..... really there is no limit.

    I can't see with your attitude there is any real risk of being propositioned by gays, or anyone else for that matter. Most of us straight and gay have moved on into the twenty first century.”

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    by CTFCScout

    Wednesday, October 17 2012, 10:42PM

    “I respect all people, regardless. If I'm told to change my opinion, I simply reply 'so you want me to be homophobic?' Shuts the thought police right up ;)

    Could I have a Straight Venue? If not, why not? Surely that would infringe on my rights as a straight human being, oh I think a call to the EU Courts is in order ;)”

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    by gloscityguy

    Wednesday, October 17 2012, 10:02PM

    “lol 'God'”

  • Profile image for cortezcortez

    by cortezcortez

    Wednesday, October 17 2012, 7:43PM

    “Well my attitude hasn't changed (God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve ) Its freedom of speech that has change there isn't any .”

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