Big cat search goes on in Gloucestershire despite DNA results
FASCINATED villagers and scientists are continuing to comb the countryside for traces of big cats after DNA tests on a dead deer drew a blank.
Walkers have been urged to take swabs of fresh deer kills and collect suspected big cat droppings while DNA academics work on samples taken from a deer killed then exhumed near Dursley.
On Wednesday night more than 100 residents packed out Woodchester Endowed Primary School hall to hear more of the elusive creatures which put the village at the centre of national interest.
Despite news that DNA tests found traces of only fox and deer, many residents said they believe big cats may well be out in the countryside.
Paul Syrett, who made the discovery of the carcass at Boundary Court Farm, near Woodchester Park, on January 4, told the meeting it been moved twice afterwards in subsequent days, probably by another animal. Cameras set up nearby failed to detect it.
"I still think the cat is out there," said Mr Syrett, 48, who lives in the village. "There are too many witnesses and their descriptions all match up. I will continue to try and get DNA samples."
Dr Robin Allaby and his team at the University of Warwick are testing a fur sample found in the same area as the carcass found near Dursley.
Tests on that carcass were expected to again show fox and deer DNA.
It was found by a farm worker who buried it but dug it up for the tests after the find at Boundary Court Farm.
The National Trust's head of nature conservation, David Bullock, called on Dr Allaby's expertise because wounds to both deer were consistent with a big cat attack.
Gorilla
Author Rick Minter and Gloucester big cat tracker Mr Tunbridge led the meeting to discuss the implications of the finds.
International gorilla expert Ian Redmond suggested walkers take a plastic bag with them to help gather suspected big cat droppings, and cotton buds to gather DNA evidence from possible kill sites.
The Woodchester Word magazine editor Rod Harris, who called the meeting, was pleased at the interest.
"It was very positive and responsible," he said.
"These creatures have a wide range and may not return for some time."
Scientists find no trace of Big Cat DNA on Woodchester deer carcass









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by meesh4
Thursday, February 16 2012, 2:18AM
“I give up reading this thread - too many huge comments from Bigcatman!!”
by Dave_Kemp
Thursday, February 16 2012, 12:25AM
“Just as well we have someone to instruct us on how to use a camera, I'd like to read more of it , my skills are a little rusty since I flogged the Hasselblad.
BCM. can you post the URL you got it from please?”
by TimGlos
Thursday, February 16 2012, 12:12AM
“Very good points!”
by Colin_Cringe
Wednesday, February 15 2012, 8:49PM
“and you need to be ready with your camera/phone when the cat appears for a couple of seconds. Very unlikely.”
by bigcatman
Wednesday, February 15 2012, 8:37PM
“Tim, the image in most good phones and camera's are decent and good enough to get A4 and A3+ size from. The trouble with non-SLR and mobile phones as well as small hand-held dig-cams is that as you zoom in the pixalation rate increases. Also the main fact that most have a very small optical zoom compared to the digital zoom, both are different, and then may be image stabilisers are not included or may be not turned on which would gives a very out of focus and unsteady picture. I use DSLR and DMF camera's, the Digital Medium Format cameras have 40 million plus pixal count as compared to the majority of DSLR cameras which are averaging at 16 mp but most small cameras have a very small digital chip to collect the data. Given that to own a decent DMF camera will set you back well in the excess of £27K and more, then most people do not or will not have the ability to take such mega-pixal rate pictures.
Most people will tend to use their phone or small camera or small digi-cam, get over excited, heart rate will be racing, the zoom feature will be at it's maximum apature and focal depth, the light gathered in will be dark and the processing chip will not be able to deal with the low amount of information.”
by TimGlos
Wednesday, February 15 2012, 7:08PM
“Not being funny haha, but has anyone noticed that despite the proliferation of high-quality image producing devices these days (and theres a fifty percent change each of us will have at least one on our person most of the time -phone camera), all pictures and video of "cryptid" animal ive seen recently looks like they were shot with a Vaseline-smeared mid-90's webcam?”
by Bonkim2003
Wednesday, February 15 2012, 6:53PM
“If there are any from the Panthera family, I would have seen a few more kills including attacks on lone humans walking in the woodlands - Panthers - Leopards, Tigers, and the like also return to their kills - and depending upon the ground conditions left some paw marks. Were there any?”
by bigcatman
Wednesday, February 15 2012, 3:18PM
“It's quite funny to think they've found a 29 mm lizard but we can't manage to
see a load of big cats that are supposed to be on the loose!!
I have little faith in the 'experts' they bring in on anything, in my experience
the media will use anyone who backs up the story they want to tell, regardless
of whether it is the truth.”
by bigcatman
Tuesday, February 14 2012, 10:50PM
“Just a jumbo hoax: Documentary maker shows video of empty river that was doctored to show Siberian 'mammoth'
Iceland's sea monster unmasked: Experts say it's a piece of cloth snagged on a branch in fast-flowing river
What's to show and prove that the so-called sightings of "big cats" in the Gloucestershire county are real and true, given that the Siberian "mammoth" and the Iceland "lake monster" have been debunked and are now shown as fakes? All the CCRI study will show is what views the general readers have on the myth of such sightings, it is not a true or real gauge, but merely a measure as to the perseption of the myth.
A friend of mine said this to me today: Was so funny today at Ed Zoo all these visitors going wow look at the Black panther. When the sign clearly said JAGUAR!
That clearly says a lot, and goes to show that most people fail to see the obvious that is clearly in front of them. People in general fail to see the obvious that is right in front of them, put a sign up, people ignore. If we were to slow ourselves down then we would not miss the obvious and therefore live a more fruitful life.
Just because Frank Tunbridge says that he "heard it growl at him", and "he is 100% sure that there are big cats out there", afterall he is an "expert big cat tracker" strangly enough which even he admits that he has never caught, tracked or found a "big cat". So why should we and everyone belive him?
Pseudo-sightings and with a co-friend who just so happens to have published a book on the "big cats in UK" which just so happens all these sightings just appeared in the press within days of the book release. One then wonders who or what are the real motives of this man and his pseudo-sightings which have never been proved thus far, even the DNA came back as negative. So why should we believe this man?
There is no such science called cryptozoology and this is what is called a pseudo word, a made up word. It's not a science, because once the animal is found, it's just normal zoology, can't study what you can't see can you? It is simply a widely recognised term for a section of research. - Sorry for the information but this pseudo-word has to be shown in it's right context.
Oxford
cryptozoology
• noun the search for animals whose existence is disputed or unsubstantiated
Cryptozoology concerns itself with unknown species for which there are "legends" or "myths" (for want of a better word) and with supposedly-extinct species. Strictly-speaking, a species that is simply unknown is not cryptozoological. The overall problem with debating the specifics of the meaning of the term "cryptozoology" is that it is not a legitimate field of science. Any idiot can call himself a cryptozoologist as if it means something important and it does not. A zoologist is a legitimate title, as is geologist, biologist, etc. Cryptozoologist means nothing.
The discovery of a new animal is not Cryptozoology, but the search for one is. For example, if you told me you'd been on holiday and saw a little green frog that seemed to be using bio luminescence, and I decided it may be a new or believed extinct species and went to go look, that would be cryptozoology”
by Chris2308
Friday, February 10 2012, 12:30PM
“I hear a low droning noise ..... must go to my GP to have the BS syringed out of my ears.”