Fears as use of Mephedrone Meow Meow hits Cheltenham

“I really enjoyed the FRANK adverts from the Government on the dangers of drugs.

Remember the drug mule dog? Only reason to treat a dog like that is because getting illicit drugs into the country is illegal.

The dealer with a gun - again the only reason for this is because many drugs are illegal.

Take the drugs out of the hands of the dealer by making them legal - no gun toting dealers and no more poor dogs cut up.

But the Government still persist in ignoring their own advisers on the effects of drugs.

I'm off for a spliff.”

“I agree Bonza, almost everything in moderation!

It just seems unless it's easily taxable, it must be illegal.

Government Drug advice is a bit like a lot of 'advice' they give. Like weekly alcohol limits, salt reduction, five a day, it's has little or no research behind it. Just sounds a good sound bite.

Cheers, (I'm having a lager, and the government can stick it, if I decide to have any more)”

“These drug harmfulness charts are quite interesting but don't have Mephedrone on it.

http://tinyurl.com/2y93pu

I wonder where it would come? I'm guessing somewhere near ecstasy.”

“Well perhaps not quite everything, just most things !!”

“Flipping heck SG1970, when "your supping the pint" !!! I know I like a glass of red wine in the evening, but I did say I had it in a standard glass, wine glass that is not a pint glass !! I would be off to Alcoholics Anonymous by now if that was the case. Also it has been said that a glass of red is good for the heart, so say the experts, other experts says it will give you cancer. It was also recently reported that taking cannabis when you are in your teens can affect your intelligence in later life. Every time you open up a paper you are being told something different. I say everything in moderation and you cannot go far wrong.”

“Bonza -Not everyone that takes drugs get 'off their head', many you wouldn't even know had taken something.
The legal aspect are a moot point, the drugs listed as 'illegal' is no more than an arbitrary decision, no medical evidence is sought. If it is sought like the drug in this article, and the medical profession come back with, "well it does a lot less harm than alcohol", the advice is ignored, and those advising are sacked.

Just think of this when your supping the pint. Drugs generally are catalysts, they encourage the brain to either produce more 'pleasure' chemicals or stop absorbing those chemical back. So the high from drugs, come from chemicals you naturally produce, but the brain is fooled. Hence drugs tend to known as Stimulants, or Suppressants.
Alcohol is a direct action poison, it doesn't interact with brains chemicals. Ethanol overloads then paralyses parts of the central nervous system to get its effect. While ethanol is in your system, it also pays a visit to most of your internal organs, fortunately they can recover, but every bit of alcohol will do damage every time, its a very non specific poison.

It is much easier for a Heroin addict to recover, than an alcoholic as the physical damage will be far worse in the Alcoholic. Yet one is illegal.”

“SG1970, no I am not teetotall, and neither am I an alcholic either, it is possible to have a drink without getting bladdered. As for how much is costs down the pub. Very rarely go out me old china, tend to have a glass of red on an evening, thats just the one, and no not in one of those glasses that hold a whole bottle, just a standard glass. Despite both being in work, myself and Mr Bonza cannot afford to go out drinking pint after pint on a weekend like some people. But what do have, is a mortgage nearly paid off, good food in the cupboard a reasonable standard of life of which we have worked damn hard for. We have chosen to spend our earnings on a modest lifestyle, not getting drugged up and drunk. As for the 70's, yes there were drugs, the crowd I hung around with were all on cannabis, I was often offered but always refused, and my refusal was respected and not sneered at. There were couple in the crowd who used to be always off there heads and spaced out. I did not want to be like that, and that is the point, you don't have to be a sheep and follow the crowd, you can make your own decisions. If you choose to take drugs, then take responsibilty for what happens to you, and the same with alcohol. We all have a choice, and that choice and its outcome is down to the individual. One other point, drugs are still criminalised, alcohol is still isn't.”

“Bonza - I take it you are tee-total? After all Alcohol would be classified Class A, if it were brought to the market today.
Haven't seen a big hole in the population from the 60's & 70's, after all their was a fair amount going around then, where is the mass paranoia, and deaths, or are we really being told the truth about drugs?

Oh and £8-15 that's maybe three/four pints in town.”

“This stuff costs £8-£15 per gram and is used mainly by the 15-23 year old age group !! I thought there was a recession going on, and the youngsters were the hardest hit at not being able to get a job. Begs the question as to how they get money to buy this drug ? Any idiot who takes drugs in the first place has no one to blame bar themselves. The dangers of drugs has been well documented over the years. There have been many pictures published in the papers over the years of teenagers on life support systems, due to drug overdoses, some as one off's some as addicts. It is over 40 years ago when I was at school, since we were shown the film "Gail is dead" following Gail from when whe first took drugs ending with her coffin going through the curtains to be cremated. Sure as hell gave me the message and I have never touched drugs. There are no excuses for going down the road to take drugs, the dangers of drugs have been well publicised, and are not a well kept secret. Qwerty is right, they should be treated as criminals not victims. The only victims are the people they mug, and whose houses they burgle to finance their filthy habit.”

“Qwerty05 - How are you going to imprison 6 million people?”