Health and terrorism fears over new Gloucestershire incinerator

“I would like to reply to a comment made by "Agiladriver" where they say if the groups had suggested the alternative the council may have looked at it - you do not seem to understand what this is all about, let me explain, back in 2007 or so the, County Council decided an incinerator would be good idea due to the landfill site filling up and costing money. They had decided on this type and also decided on the site Javelin Park (it was already a done deal of where to build it and what type to use), the council have BEEN INFORMED of a different type
of Incinerator since it was decided on the one the Council was going to use, they were informed this was not a safe type and has health problems, AND SUGGESTED alternative which is safe, to this day the Council have been informed about the problems with the now outdated incinerator, BUT THEY WILL NOT LISTEN they have made the decision and are sticking to it, that is the reason why it has been dragging on, people care, others just listen to the Council who ARE NOT always right, they are not right here.
This was not as you put it "Researched in Desperation"
It has been going on for may years telling the Council this is the wrong type, maybe you should get your facts right, before making silly comments, any more?”

“Never contemplated it as a terrorist target, if that were really an issue so would be chemical manufacturers, cosmetic manufacturers and the like.
I'm sure I advocated earlier the only way to win the argument on health is not to scaremonger....
Who made the reference to terrorism was it Dr Van Steenis, GlosVain, the council or a "member of public pro Incineration"? Whoever I would question their motives as I already said a lot of Dr Van Steenis' work can be understood and supported by COMEAP, SEPA, Pope et Al, Tango, Comba and Zambon also Sint Niklaas - Whois trying to derail the health arguments and why is what the good people of Glocstershire should be asking?”

“Nobody wants incinerators; but a terrorist target, really?
They may as well relax security at GCHQ then. That's small fry when you have waste burners to worry about.”

“So the NIMBY's now resort to frightening people by claiming terrorist links'; for God's sake, do we now ban the staple diet of terrorists namely garden fertilizer from Garden Centres.

The only good point here; is they have now come with an alternative, in plasma sites. Shame they didn't suggest this a long long time ago, maybe the Council might have looked at; after all this whole process has been dragging it's feet for how long. I suppose now things have been agreed they have researched the issue in desperation.”

“With respect, that's my point. Of course, I am well used to people ignoring rules when it suits them, but that's because I don't have the backing to force them to answer. My experience of this debate, which has been going for nearly ten years, if not longer, is that both sides sound very plausible with their use of statistics and regulations, but they can't both be right, so let someone who is an established, and hopefully impartial authority weigh in.

Mind, if you can't/won't trust DEFRA...”

“Had readers been at my lecture, they would have heard that my evidence came froim NHS data and 360 journal references. The Health Protection Agency have written that they have no evidence to justify their untrue claims. DEFRA are breaking the law in refusing to monitor the particles that get into your lungs namely (PM1s and) PM2.5s. The Environment Agency are breaking the BREF law in allowing emissions to be 120 times higher than a Finland incinerator, and allowing operating temperature to be hundreds of degrees lower than the rest of the world, increasing toxic emissions. PCT data proves 11 years are being taken off lifespan downwind for some 15 miles, meaning Cheltenham will be at peak grounding and peak illness and needless early deaths. The only safe system as is being used in France, USA, Japan etc is Plasma arc gasification which produces gravel, electricity & biokerosene with no ash for disposal. The Glos. CC is breaking 6 laws I explained in pushing for this junk incinerator.”

“So just reading some of the above comments, maybe those people above who think it's a joke should do research about the dangerous effects this can do, to people in Quedgeley and Hardwicke, as they are in a dip, so this will just hover, bad for health, also Cheltenham seem to think it will not effect them, maybe they should look at the map, they will be effected, quite badly. The Council had no discussions with the people of Gloucester on why type of incinerator should be used, this is tax payer's money, - surely we should have a say on how this is spent?
Cllr.Stan Waddington the "so called waste champion"!!! Said it is good value for Gloucester, surely this should be "BEST VALUE"!!! Because of the landfill, alternative method is required so the Council looked at incineration; hence the one they propose to build at Javelin Park, what is rather strange, the council say will help us deliver a green and affordable solution to our rubbish." How can that be? When they still have to use landfill for some of the other rubbish as not all can go into the incinerator? What I find strange that no where in any documents does it talk about any security plans, they had to say this because it was brought up, and they were not ready for the question. UBB talk about scare-mongering, they have to say this because they are worried. Never mind they will get planning permission in due course,
because if UBB do not get planning permission, then the Council will be capped meaning that they have to give money to UBB, why did the council have this clause? So if you look at all this, what does it tell you!! (It's a done deal many years ago). The Council really want to push this through, Why? not for a greener reason,
So Cllr. Waddington what do you have to say? The technology that he has chosen is now outdated, so why is the Council still using this type of incineration.
So Bonkim anymore stupid comments?
So lets have some sensible answers/questions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

“It's the wrong thing in the wrong place because the County Council has fudged the issue for the last 25 years.”

“It seems he dislikes MMR vaccination, too.
Does he get paid for his advice?”

“The headline for this story used to be 'Incinerator health impact claims by medical expert'. Sexing it up a bit?”