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Porritt looking to pull petrol out of thin air

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Saturday, October 20, 2012
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GREEN campaigner Jonathan Porritt is pushing for air to be turned into petrol.

In his blog, Mr Porritt said different processes to extract carbon dioxide from the air, and then produce petrol had "huge potential for the future."

Mr Porritt, who lives in Cheltenham, went on to say that in July he had been "hugely impressed" with a visit to AirFuel Synthesis in Stockton-on-Tees. The company was yesterday hailed for its scientific breakthrough that could end the reliance on fossil fuels.

At the time Mr Porritt told staff: "Harnessing the benign properties of CO2 to create genuinely sustainable fuels for the future is still, for many, no more than a 'distant dream'. I really think you and your colleagues could turn that dream into a reality".

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Yesterday Mr Porritt went on to say it was "unbelievably optimistic" to assume that it would become a global industry, but added "this is exactly the kind of hopeful innovation that we need for the future."

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  • Profile image for Coingrass

    by Coingrass

    Saturday, October 20 2012, 6:45PM

    “And how is the energy needed in this process generated? And no matter how this 'petrol' is produced it will still generate pollution when it's burnt. The fundamental laws of physics still apply: energy can neither be created nor destroyed. This is not a something-for-nothing process and I very much doubt it will ever be viable outside a laboratory.”

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    by IsitJimKerr

    Saturday, October 20 2012, 3:56PM

    “Mudbox.......................the figure of 20% is something that I know has been a very 'rounded' figure, wanted as a goal for a few years
    The following is from Wik a few years ago...........
    'A mandatory renewable energy target is a government legislated requirement on electricity retailers to source specific proportions of total electricity sales from renewable energy sources according to a fixed timeframe. The additional cost is distributed across most customers by increases in other tariffs. The cost of this measure is therefore not funded by government budgets, except for costs of establishing and monitoring the scheme and any audit and enforcement actions.
    At least 66 countries, including 27 EU countries have renewable energy policy targets of some type. The EU baseline target is 20% by 2020. While the USA does not have a national RET, 29 of its states do. Similarly Canada has 9 provincial RETs but no national target. Targets are typically for shares of electricity production, but some are defined as by primary energy supply, installed capacity or otherwise. While some targets are based on 2010-12, many are now for 2020 which ties in with the IPCC suggested greenhouse gas emission cuts of 25 to 40% by Annex I countries by 2020, although some are for 2025.'

    However, as we know these pie in the sky figures are set by the tree-huggers, while the those that actually try and acheive these ridiculous figures do their best, and fall flat on their faces, thus making such 'goals' unacheiveable, hence the report in The Guardian a few months ago;
    Environment/Renewable energy

    Missed renewable energy targets will cost UK dear, warns study

    Consumers set to pay the price as electricity companies are forced to import more gas, damaging prospects for green jobs

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    Fiona Harvey, environment correspondent
    The Observer, Saturday 21 April 2012 20.17 BST
    The UK is set to miss its renewable energy targets by a wide margin – a failure that could result in billions of pounds being added to energy bills as we rely increasingly on imported gas, according to a new study.

    Only 3% of the UK's energy currently comes from renewable sources, such as sun and wind, compared with a European average of 12%, despite a series of high-profile government policies aimed at increasing that percentage.

    Britain is committed to producing 15% of its energy from renewable sources by 2020 – but campaigners say that the government currently has no prospect of achieving that target.
    And you think 20% is too LOW..............................!”

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    by Mudbox

    Saturday, October 20 2012, 3:27PM

    “IsitJimKerr, I don't know where you get the figure 20%; why do you think renewable would be limited to this?”

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    by IsitJimKerr

    Saturday, October 20 2012, 2:20PM

    “Agreed, Porritt is often looking for a bandwagon to climb aboard.
    Trouble with the 'green lobby' is that I always get the impression that their mantra is 'I wish we'd thought of that'.
    In other words;
    wind power, yep, that's great,
    solar panels, wow, free hot water, brilliant
    tidal power, best of both worlds, doesn't look unsightly, free leccy, fantastic,
    bio-diesel, sounds great, but children will starve, never mind, IT'S GREEN, ISN'T IT?
    and now petrol from thin air, must be a vote winner if we embrace it now!
    All political parties have a green section, so the Green Party is a eunuch.
    And Osborne's description of the green lobby as environmental Taliban is spot on.
    If you don't agree with them, you're dead.
    All the alternative energy sources are great, but will only ever provide an absolute maximum of 20% of our ever increasing needs. Th esolution being nuclear.
    These needs constantly put out of reach by rising technology, eg, how often does your smart phone need recharging compared to one from four or five years ago?
    And of course the elephant in the room, global population, that NO government has the b@||$ to tackle, except the Chinese of course, and look how they were ridiculed, and now poised to topple USA as the biggest nation on earth!”

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    by Lecorche

    Saturday, October 20 2012, 11:09AM

    “Yes,Mudbox.I'd figured that but didn't want TiG's header writers to find out it's not made out of thin air. ;-)”

  • Profile image for Mudbox

    by Mudbox

    Saturday, October 20 2012, 10:21AM

    “Lecorche, the hydrogen comes from water, ie h20, in this process.”

  • Profile image for daveofglos

    by daveofglos

    Saturday, October 20 2012, 8:48AM

    “Read all about it here:

    http://tinyurl.com/8j836fq

    Don't just go by what some local citizen has stated - get the facts.

    Pointless reporting if you ask me - seems like he's a publicity seeker!”

  • Profile image for Lecorche

    by Lecorche

    Saturday, October 20 2012, 8:25AM

    “I think someone's pulling our legs with this.
    Petrol needs Hydrogen.Co2 is not a hydrocarbon.”

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