“loz,

I agree completely. Also, when then shout then tend to use big words because they think it confuses us.”

“John, RFOD What is the point of arguing with the Right wing fools? We have had to suffer for their misguided beliefs and we will have to again.”

“To be honest Tom I don't disagree with you on that. I just think that the Tories have to do something more than assigning blame. At some point they have to tell us real policies. In times of crisis they need to present real ideas of how to deal with them rather than just give us smooth idealised soundbites about how things will be better under a Tory government. Until they can do that I won't believe they are a government in waiting.”

“>>Listen to all the Tories blaming Labour for the economic mess. Here's a quote for you all;
It is fair to blame the current government. They've had ten years to do something to change how it works. They were very happy to take credit when it was all going well.”

“I said I was gone, but then I didn't take into consideration that Cameraman would come back on the scene with the most preposterous of speeches at such a time. I really do think he has lost the plot with the rest of his woolly crew.

If anyone needed convincing that the Tories could not govern our country, then I think Cameraman provided it today with such irresponsible drivel. This is not the time to PLAY politics.

Can whoever it is that advises this man please tell him to keep quiet at least until he has something sensible to say.”

“Nice patronising piece Vince but ultimately it has very little to do with anything I actually said.

Regarding economic policy you appear to have the 20-20 hind-site that I referred to.

As for me singing Labour's praises I said that Brown showed leadership. I stand by that. You obviously are not very fond of leadership from our politicians. You appear upset that he didn't ask me personally before bailing out the banks. The thing is Vince that we elect governments so that they will make these tricky decisions for us.”

“BG

Word in your shell like, you are just rabbling now, so why not quit while you're behind eh?”

“Hmmmm, nice wind up, or at least I hope so. If you're being serious that's actually quite frightening and you really need to grow up! I thought this debate was whether the Tories are ready for Government, I said I don't think so, I didn't say Mr Brown was my hero, or that I vote Labour. I merely pointed out we have been better off under a poor Labour Government than we were under the Tories, and therefore I feel the Conservatives are not suitable for power. However, as that does not conform to your world view, you want me to stop posting (and voting) as clearly it upsets you!”

“BG,

Hitler, and Gordon Brown. He didn't allow a Euro Referrendum vote.

So maybe I am a bit like your hero!

Do you not think this forum is a bit out of your depth? There are other discussions going on you know in other groups?”

“hmmmm, Cheltenham. So, because I have a different point of view to you, you believe I shouldn't have a vote. My word, what a mature and reasoned response that is, you must feel very proud. I believe Hitler shared your view on not allowing people who disagreed with him to have any say.........”